Pentecostalism (from Pentecost, the day on which the gift of the Holy Spirit was given to the Apostles) originated from the Wesleyan Holiness movement of the nineteenth century, which emphasized personal faith, proper living, and the imminent return of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This belief was manifested in Topeka, Kansas, in 1901, where the first “baptism of the Holy Spirit” in modern times was recorded. The movement began to spread; it only gained momentum, however, in 1906, with the Azusa Street Revival in Los Angeles, California. The “massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit” which occurred at Azusa Street gained national notoriety, and the majority of Pentecostal denominations originated in individuals affected by the events of Azusa Street. These first believers in the gifts of the Holy Spirit were not accepted by their denominations, and many therefore began their own or joined such fledgling groups.

Beginning in the 1960s, many members of denominations began to “receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit,” and yet did not leave their respective denominations. These individuals began what is deemed as the “Charismatic Movement” (from the Greek charisma, or “gift”). Before long, there were Charismatic associations within the Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican/Episcopalian, and Calvinist churches, and the movement spread to encompass almost every denomination within Christendom.

Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement are identifiable by their belief in the latter-day outpouring of the Holy Spirit, much like the day of Pentecost. Many of the members experience what is deemed the “baptism of the Holy Spirit,” which is supposedly evidenced by the act of speaking in tongues. These groups tend to bring a great deal of emotionalism and activity to their services, generally allow for the full equality of men and women in the activities of the worship service, and focus on the emotional aspects of Christianity.

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The Pentecostal/Charismatic movement is heavily splintered; the number of groups within this movement number in the tens of thousands. We can, however, examine the major groups of the movement. Pentecostalism and its offshoots can be divided into three groups: “Classical” Pentecostals, those who are members of the standard Pentecostal groups, most of which originated in the first quarter of the twentieth century; the Charismatics, or those in other denominations who received the “baptism of the Holy Spirit;” and the so-called “Neo-Charismatics,” the groups formed in the last half of the century, most of which are not affiliated with the Pentecostal denominations. We will examine the “classical” Pentecostal groups in more detail; it will suffice to say for the Charismatics that they are present in the majority of the denominations of Christendom, normally having their own associations as part of their denominations.

The chart provided should assist in understanding the creation and organization of the “classical” Pentecostal denominations. Let us speak of them now.

We must first examine the “pre-Pentecostal” era, the time before 1901. Many churches received the message of the Holiness movement, which stemmed from Wesleyan theology. Many of these groups were looking forward to a “renewal of the Holy Spirit,” when the gifts present on the day of Pentecost would return to the churches. Many of these Holiness groups became Pentecostal after the turn of the century; others did not accept the message. Therefore, when we discuss a denomination that existed before 1901, we must understand that the denomination was founded first and only later became Pentecostal.

Despite the first demonstration of the “baptism of the Holy Spirit” in 1901, the movement would only begin to take off with the Azusa Street revival five years later. Many of the ministers of the Holiness congregations, along with other interested parties, visited this revival to observe the events and possibly become a part of them.

One of the first denominations to accept Pentecostalism was the Church of God in Christ [COGIC], founded in 1897 by Charles Mason. In 1907, he received the “baptism of the Holy Spirit,” and soon the majority of his denomination was Pentecostal. This group remains one of the largest denominations within Pentecostalism.

Other denominations also accepted the Pentecostal doctrine. The Pentecostal Holiness Church, founded in 1898, became Pentecostal in 1908. The United Holy Church, founded in 1886, also became Pentecostal.

Another large group that became Pentecostal was the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee). This group, founded in 1886, became Pentecostal in 1908, in a large part influenced by A. J. Tomlinson. By 1922, however, the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee), could no longer stand the dictatorial nature of Tomlinson; therefore, Tomlinson was removed, and he himself created another Church of God, known first as the “Tomlinson Church of God” until 1943, when Tomlinson died. His two sons, Milton and Homer, began to quarrel over who should take over control of the church. Milton was chosen, and in 1952 he chose the name “Church of God of Prophecy” to replace “Tomlinson Church of God.” Homer left that group when he was not chosen and founded his own group, the Church of God, World Headquarters, in 1943.

The denominations listed above are considered the “first wave” of Pentecostalism, since they essentially were Wesleyan Holiness groups who incorporated the glossolalia (speaking in tongues) and other gifts into their theology. They believed that one was saved, then sanctified, and then received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Beginning in the 1910s, however, a new line of theology emerged, known as the “finished work” belief system. These individuals tended to come from outside the Wesleyan Holiness movement, and thus did not share the emphasis on personal sanctification as the Holiness groups did. They believed that sanctification was a gradual process, and that one need not be fully sanctified before one received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This rift in theology prompted what is known as the “second wave” of Pentecostalism.

One of the largest and best-known churches of this “second wave” is the Assemblies of God [AG or AoG], which divided from the Church of God in Christ in 1914 over the “finished work” theology and also racial issues. The Assemblies of God themselves saw division occur within the next two years over the “oneness” theology, that the name of Jesus was the only name of God, that one needed to be baptized in the name of Jesus alone, and that speaking in tongues was necessary for salvation (more will be discussed about this theology below). This group was eventually cast out of the Assemblies of God in 1916 to form the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World. This group itself divided because of racial differences in 1927, forming a group known as the Pentecostal Church, Incorporated, which later merged with other “oneness” churches to form the United Pentecostal Church (UPC) in 1945.

The Assemblies of God saw further divisions in the next twenty years. The next division occurred in 1919, when John Sinclair of the Assemblies of God became very concerned when the church adopted a “Statement of Fundamental Truths,” which went against, in his opinion, one of the founding premises of the denomination to not hold to any doctrinal statements. Therefore, he, along with George Brinkman, left the Assemblies of God to form the Pentecostal Church of God of America.

In 1927, a former Assemblies of God minister named Aimee Semple McPherson founded the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, a Pentecostal church that grew around the healing and witness of its founder. This church also suffered a division in 1932 with the creation of the Open Bible Evangelistic Association, which eventually merged with another group to form the Open Bible Standard Church in 1935.

Finally, a “third wave” of churches began to form in the later part of the twentieth century, involving many of the mainline evangelicals who had seen and performed the signs and wonders of the Pentecostal movement but did not desire to be labeled with the terms “Pentecostal” or “Charismatic.” The foremost group of these individuals is the Association of Vineyard Churches, founded in 1981. These “third wavers” are the ones known as the “neo-Charismatics,” and their numbers throughout their many groups are the largest in the Pentecostal movement.

There are many other groups that are part of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement, including the majority of the televangelists and those who perform “healing revivals.” “Charismatic communities” have also been founded, consisting of groups of Charismatics who wish to create their own community of faith.

These are the major groups in the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement; it would be a large task indeed to discuss every little group within this movement. It is believed that for every individual congregation within one of these denominations, there exists one independent Pentecostal/Charismatic congregation. Let us now examine the general belief systems of these groups.

General Considerations

Part I

Lutheranism: Faith Alone

Anabaptism: Nonresistance [some groups];
Ultra-Conservatism [some groups]

Calvinism: T- Total Depravity

Pietism: Foot Washing

Baptists: “Once Saved, Always Saved”

Plymouth Brethren: Dispensationalism; Premillennialism

Part II



Community Church Movement

House Church Movement

Megachurch Movement


Part III

Baptism: Baptism=Immersion; Baptism is for Remission of Sin and is Necessary for Salvation

The Church Treasury, I: Benevolence: Church Benevolence to Non-Saints; The Missionary Society

The Church Treasury, II: Other Considerations: Hospitals; Centers of Education; Kitchens/ Fellowship Halls; Gymnasiums; Business Enterprises

Concerning Observances:
Observances Concerning the Lord’s Birth: Christmas
Observances Concerning the Lord’s Death: Palm Sunday; Good Friday; Easter

Instrumental Music

Judaic Practices: The Ten Commandments and the “Moral Law”

The Lord’s Supper: The Bread and the Fruit of the Vine; When Should the Lord’s Supper Be Observed? Part A: Weekly

Positions of Authority: Who Is The Pastor?; A Hierarchy of Bishops; Female Deacons [Deaconesses]; Female Elders; Ordination; Synods, Councils, Conventions, and Other Meetings

Part IV


What is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

The fundamental premise of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement is what is deemed the “baptism of the Holy Spirit.” It is believed that the “baptism of the Holy Spirit” is given today, and that from this event the ability to speak in tongues, to heal, and possibly to prophecy, is given1. They believe that the “outpouring of the Holy Spirit” as seen in the twentieth century is evidence of the “end time” return of the Holy Spirit, believed to have been prophesied by Joel in Joel 2:28-322. The whole Pentecostal/Charismatic belief system requires the baptism of the Holy Spirit to exist for one to be able to speak in tongues, etc. Is this the teaching of the Scriptures concerning the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

The “baptism of the Holy Spirit” is seen twice in the New Testament, and that terminology is only used either before or after the event happens. In Acts 1:4-5, Jesus foretells the baptism of the Holy Spirit for His disciples:

And, being assembled together with them, He charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, said He,
“ye heard from me: For John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence.”

This was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2:1-4:

And when the day of Pentecost was now come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound as of the rushing of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them tongues parting asunder, like as of fire; and it sat upon each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The next and last instance of the term “the baptism of the Holy Spirit” in the Scriptures is during Peter’s relation to the Christians in Jerusalem concerning what occurred to Cornelius and his men, Acts 11:15-16:

“And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them, even as on us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said,
‘John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit.'”

This event occurred in Acts 10:44-45:

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all them that heard the word. And they of the circumcision that believed were amazed, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.

These two events are the only recorded baptisms of the Holy Spirit within the Scriptures. Many times the gift of the Holy Spirit is given, but it is always done with the laying on of hands, as is evidenced by the example in Acts 8:14-17:

Now when the apostles that were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit: for as yet it was fallen upon none of them: only they had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

We see here that when the Spirit was given to men from the Apostles, hands were laid upon them. This action represents the vast majority of the transmission of the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures.

We can therefore see that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was not to be a common event. It was a miraculous event to demonstrate to the people that Jesus Christ was Lord, and that all must obey Him to receive eternal life. In Acts 2:1-36, the baptism of the Holy Spirit occurred for the Kingdom of Heaven to be established on Earth in the form of the church. In Acts 10:44-48, the baptism of the Holy Spirit served as a sign to Peter that the Gentiles were to be a part of the Kingdom. These two events signify the fulfillment of the multiple prophecies in the Old Testament concerning the establishment of the heavenly Kingdom and the acceptance of the Gentiles into the fold. There are no Scriptures that would demonstrate that God would bestow any more baptisms of the Holy Spirit beyond the two events in the first century.

It is argued that the prophecy in Joel 2:28-32 concerning the dispensation of the Spirit demonstrates that the Holy Spirit would be again poured out upon Christians in the “end times.” We have seen, however, in Plymouth Brethren: Joel 2: The Gift of the Holy Spirit, that Peter spoke very clearly in saying that the day of Pentecost was the fulfillment of the prophecy given, and thus there does not need to be a later outpouring to make it so. Therefore, we can see that the “baptism of the Holy Spirit” was a miraculous event for the benefit of the Apostles, first to be able to teach and then to show that the Gentiles were to enter the fold, and thus there is no longer a need for such a miracle. The only possible way that the Holy Spirit could be transferred to a Christian would be by the laying on of hands by the Apostles.

Can the gift of the Holy Spirit be imparted today? We can examine the Scriptures to see if it is so. The Scriptures show that only the Apostles were able to transmit the Holy Spirit by means of the “laying on of hands.” We do not see anyone else transmitting the gift. This is made manifest by the example of Philip and Peter and John in Acts 8:12-17:

But when they believed Philip preaching good tidings concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. And Simon also himself believed: and being baptized, he continued with Philip; and beholding signs and great miracles wrought, he was amazed. Now when the apostles that were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit: for as yet it was fallen upon none of them: only they had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

We see that Peter and John came down from Jerusalem to Samaria in order to give the gift of the Holy Spirit to the Samaritans. Why did Philip not give the gift to them? The only reason that we can accept is that Philip was unable to give the gift since he was not one of the Apostles.

The last Apostle died around the year 100 CE. Therefore, none have been able to give the gift of the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands since that time. We see, therefore, that the Scriptures teach that not only the baptism of the Holy Spirit but also laying on of hands are practices not performed today.

Glossolalia: Speaking in Tongues

In the Pentecostal/Charismatic belief system, once one has received the “baptism of the Holy Spirit,” the “initial evidence” of this occurrence is the glossolalia, or speaking in tongues3. The Pentecostals teach that this speaking in tongues is reminiscent of the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-36. Do the Pentecostals today receive the same gifts as the Apostles and the Christians of the first century received?

A major distinction must be made between the majority of the speaking in tongues today and the speaking in tongues of the first century. The speaking in tongues of today is generally what is deemed a “heavenly language,” which is not able to be understood without inspiration and is considered to be “prayer in the Spirit, not linguistic expertise4.” We read the following in the Scriptures in Acts 2:6-11:

And when this sound was heard, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speaking in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying,
“Behold, are not all these that speak Galilaeans? And how hear we, every man in our own language wherein we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia, in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues the mighty works of God.”

We therefore see that the Apostles spoke in legitimate tongues (languages), each understood clearly by those who spoke it. The Jews of the various languages did not need special inspiration to understand the language that the Apostles spoke, nor was it a “heavenly language.”

It is interesting to note that when missionaries attempted to go to other countries, expecting the Holy Spirit within them to speak in the tongues of the people, they were not able to do so5. Instead, it is taught that “speaking in tongues” today refers to the following statement by Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:13-15:

Wherefore let him that speaketh in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Does this statement demonstrate that speaking in tongues is prayer? By no means! Paul is saying that if one prays in a tongue, the spirit prays, but the mind is not fruitful! We can see his statement concerning this in 1 Corinthians 14:16:

Else if thou bless with the spirit, how shall he that filleth the place of the unlearned say the Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he knoweth not what thou sayest?

Therefore, we can see that Paul is advising to not pray in tongues; thus, it is evident that tongues are not “heavenly language” that is “prayer to God” because its chief purpose, edification, was lost when none could understand the meaning of the prayer.

Let us now examine whether or not there are Scriptures that teach that speaking in tongues is the “initial evidence” of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Do the Scriptures teach that the emphasis is on speaking in tongues? Paul says the following in 1 Corinthians 14:1:

Follow after love; yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

This truth is made evident in 1 Corinthians 14:2-5:

For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men edification, and exhortation, and consolation. He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. Now I would have you all speak with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: and greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Paul exhorts the Corinthians to recognize that speaking in tongues is not as edifying to the church as prophecy is. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:2 that those who speak in foreign languages really speak to God alone; one can imagine how much edification could be gained in the Greek-speaking church in Corinth if someone began to speak in, say, the language of the Celts. If one prophesies, however, one builds up not only himself but also everyone around him, for all may be convinced of the power of God. Therefore, the Scriptures teach that prophecy is preeminent amongst the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and speaking in tongues follows. This hierarchy is reversed in modern Pentecostal/Charismatic groups.

Finally, are the gifts of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, prophecy, and knowledge, even for today? Can anyone speak in tongues today moved by the Holy Spirit? We have evidence given to us in 1 Corinthians 13:8-10:

Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.

The interpretation of this verse hinges on the “perfect.” The exact Greek word in this text for “perfect” is teleion, the neuter form of the noun teleios, meaning “perfect, complete.” The verse could read, therefore, in the following manner: “but when that which is complete comes, the partial will be done away.” The Pentecostals and Charismatics argue that the “perfect” refers to Christ and His Second Coming; the text, however, does not support this conclusion. We have stated that the word teleion is in the neuter gender; therefore, how can it refer to the masculine Christ? The best interpretation of this verse is to see that “the perfect” refers to the New Testament, the mystery of Christ unfolded. This process ended between 70-100 CE, depending on one’s view of Revelation.

We can examine the historical records and see further demonstration that these gifts passed on by 100 CE. We see this is especially true concerning “knowledge.” The last book of the New Testament was written most probably around 95 CE, and there has not been any individual since then who has brought forth further revelation that agrees with the gospel of the Apostles. Since the end of the first century, Christians have used the knowledge given to the Apostles and their immediate followers to guide their lives, and have not relied on supposed further revelations. Therefore, it is very accurate to say that the gift of knowledge ceased in the end of the first century.

It is interesting to note the following statement made by a Pentecostal:

AD 70: After the apostolic age, many small or local renewals or revivals occur, with scores of isolated charismatic believers (often in monasteries) but no global renewal until the 20th century6.

This admission, that there was no “global renewal” until the modern day, demonstrates that the Pentecostals admit that a change occurred after the end of the first century. It should also be stated that many of these “small or local renewals or revivals” are either heretical sects (like the Montanists) or a re-interpretation of the lives of some monks and nuns based on the current belief in the charismata (gifts). Therefore, it is evident that there are only a very few isolated cases of individuals believing in the charismata between 100-1900 CE, with even fewer after 450 CE. The only possible explanation that could be given by the Pentecostals concerning this silent period is that which they give concerning Joel 2:28–32 and the supposed “latter day dispensation of the Holy Spirit,” which we have shown to be false. Therefore, it is evident from the Scriptures and affirmed by the historical record that the gifts of prophecy, speaking in tongues, and knowledge ceased by 100 CE.

Oneness Pentecostalism

There is a group within the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement known as the “oneness Pentecostals,” the origins of which are discussed above. The “oneness” Pentecostals teach that the only valid baptism (the immersion in water, not of the Holy Spirit) is in the name of Jesus alone, and that the “Trinitarian” baptism (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) was forced upon the church by the Nicene Creed7. They further believe that the name Jesus was the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, since God is one and thus must have one name, and that name in the new covenant is Jesus8. They also believe that speaking in tongues is essential for salvation9. Is this what the Scriptures teach?

The Scriptures teach that Jesus is God, but they do not teach that the name of God is Jesus. We have evidence of this in many places, including 1 Timothy 2:5-6:

For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times.

There is also the greeting often used by Paul to the churches, e.g. 1 Corinthians 1:3:

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

If the name of Jesus refers to the whole God, why does Paul differentiate the two often?

Paul is not alone in doing this; James does the same in James 1:1:

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are of the Dispersion, greeting.

If Jesus were the name of God, would not “a bond-servant of God Jesus” be satisfactory? Yet they all use the term “God” or “God the Father” along with the “Lord Jesus Christ.” Therefore, it is evident that the idea of the name of Jesus referring to the whole Godhead is inconsistent with the Scriptures.

Concerning baptism, we are given two Scriptures regarding the specific language of baptism, Matthew 28:18-20 and Acts 2:38:

And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying,
“All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth. Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.”

And Peter said unto them, “Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

It is argued by these “oneness” Pentecostals that Matthew 28:19 is a command, while Acts 2:38 demonstrates the command put into action. The language of the text, however, does not support this: Acts 2:38 is a command in no way different from the command in Matthew 28:19. We see in these two texts that either baptism is valid, for both call upon the authority of God. There is no evidence from the Scriptures that would show that either form of the baptismal formula ought to be bound.

The Oneness Pentecostal view of God is little different from the ancient Modalist/Sabellian heresy and would posit the idea that Jesus spoke to Himself when praying, or the idea that the Father and the Spirit equally suffered with the Son on the cross. This idea of God as one Person is inconsistent with Jesus’ testimony in John 8:17-18:

“Yea and in your law it is written, that the witness of two men is true. I am he that beareth witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.”

Jesus clearly indicates that while He and the Father are one (John 10:30), they are yet distinct in person, enough so to represent two witnesses. Furthermore, manifestations of the triune nature of God, as in Genesis 1:1-2, 26-27 and Matthew 3:16-17, do not lend credence to the modalist view. The Scriptures reveal that God is one in three persons, not three manifestations of one.

Finally, do the Scriptures teach that speaking in tongues is required for salvation? We have already seen above that Paul’s directive to the church in Corinth was to prophecy above speaking in tongues; furthermore, we have seen in 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 that the gift of speaking in tongues was to cease. There are no Scriptures that show that speaking in tongues is required for salvation; in fact, there is no evidence from the Scriptures themselves that anyone spoke in tongues beyond the Apostles, Cornelius et al, Paul, the Corinthians, and some others. Therefore, it is evident that there is no evidence from the Scriptures that demonstrates that speaking in tongues is required for salvation.

Word of Faith Movement

The “Word of Faith” movement (WOF) is a “neo-Charismatic” movement that teaches that the validity of one’s faith is demonstrated by one’s material health and wealth10. This movement is popularized today by many of the televangelists, including Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, and a multitude of others11. They also teach that we are like God, that God is like us, that Jesus took on the nature of Satan and suffered in Hell to accomplish the work of redemption, and that even humans can be gods12. Do the Scriptures agree with these teachings?

We have seen in Eastern Orthodoxy: Theosis and Mormonism, II: Doctrine: Eternal Progression, that man most assuredly cannot become a god. Concerning the relationship between God and man, we read the following in Isaiah 55:8-9:

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” saith the LORD. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

Therefore, it is evident that there is a wide separation between God and us.

Did Jesus have to go to Hell in order to be saved? As can be seen in Creeds: The Apostles’ Creed, it is inaccurate to presume that Jesus descended into Hell after His death, for we have the words of David in prophecy concerning Him in Psalm 16:10:

For thou wilt not leave my soul to Sheol; Neither wilt thou suffer thy holy one to see corruption.

Furthermore, did Jesus Himself need salvation? By no means, for God declared concerning Him the following in Matthew 3:16-17:

And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him; and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying,
“This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Therefore, it is evident that Jesus did not need salvation, for in Him God was “well-pleased.”

Finally, there is the doctrine concerning material wealth and health and one’s faith. The Scriptures make it evident that our faith is not based in our material possessions, nor are we guaranteed material wealth because of our faith. Let us read the witness of the Scriptures in Matthew 19:21-24, Philippians 4:11-12, and 1 Timothy 6:17-19:

Jesus said unto him, “If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.”
But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions. And Jesus said unto his disciples,
“Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”

Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therein to be content. I know how to be abased, and I know also how to abound: in everything and in all things have I learned the secret both to be filled and to be hungry, both to abound and to be in want.

Charge them that are rich in this present world, that they be not highminded, nor have their hope set on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; that they do good, that they be rich in good works, that they be ready to distribute, willing to communicate; laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on the life which is life indeed.

These verses do not speak about the wealth one will receive if he or she has faith but the opposite: with faith, one learns to be content with what one is given and should not be seeking for riches on Earth. The Scriptures teach that those who are rich in material wealth are better served to give it to those in need; in so doing, they store up spiritual wealth. We can see from the Scriptures, therefore, that the faith of Christians is not measured by the size of wealth or the portion of health that they have.

Other Resources

Baptism of the Holy Spirit/Glossolalia


1: Vinson Synan, The Century of the Holy Spirit, p. 3
2: Ibid., p. 71
3: Ibid., p. 3
4: Ibid., pp. 56, 81
5: Ibid., p. 81
6: Ibid, p. 416
7: Ibid., p. 141
8: Ibid., p. 142
9: Ibid., p. 141
10: Ibid., p. 337
11: Ibid.
12: Benny Hinn, TBN, 12/1/1990; Copeland, Kenneth, Walking in the Realm of the Miraculous (1979), 77; Copeland, Kenneth, “Believer’s Voice of Victory,” TBN, 4/21/1991.

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24 Responses

  1. abey

    The Advent of Pentecost to Joel”Prophecy Quoted by St. Peter & its Post Advent to the Army of God refers to the” Elect” the First fruits of the Lamb/Remnant seed of the Woman/Elect of God come in as a Spiritual Enactment to the salvation & is called “The Visitation:”

  2. h zvinya

    I quote:”There are no Scriptures that
    would demonstrate that God would
    bestow any more baptisms of the Holy
    Spirit beyond the two events in the first
    century.” Well, are there any scriptures that specify the stopping of the Holy Spirit from functioning in the church? Are you saying the Holy Spirit is now dormant, it was meant for the early church and has become an unnecessary luxury? Galatians 4vs 11-13, I quote:
    11. And he gave some,
    apostles; and some,
    prophets; and some,
    evangelists; and some,pastors and teachers;
    12. For the perfecting of
    the saints, for the work of
    the ministry, for the edifying
    of the body of Christ:
    13. Till we all come to the
    unity of faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ”
    Now, are you saying the church no longer needs the above? Have we come to the unity of faith? Have we achieved the stature of the fulness of Christ? I’m afraid you are beginning to be wise in your own eyes and it has biblical condemnation. It’s ironic how you admit that Paul said Prophecy is more profitable, but how can we have prophecy without the Holy Spirit? If we don’t need the Spirit of the Lord, which kind of Spirit do we need?

    • deusvitae

      Why is the expectation of the cessation of certain gifts demand that the Holy Spirit entirely stops working?

      Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.
      (1 Corinthians 13:8-10)

      What did Paul know “in part”?
      What did Paul prophesy “in part”?

      The revelation of God’s purposes.

      That would cease when it was fully accomplished by the singular generation of Apostles. 1 Corinthians 14 about prophecy was written to people for whom prophecy was their main form of exhortation. Once there is Scripture, such becomes the basis of exhortation.

  3. Christina

    It really saddens my heart to hear such things. I can truly attest that the power of the Holy Spirit is still in existence today. Mark 9:38-40 “John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us.” Jesus said there is “no one,” not “no one before the year 100 C.E.”
    Show me if it says that the gifts will stop in the Bible. **The Bible does never ever state that the gifts have stopped.** That’s essentially blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I say this out of love. Just as God is alive and omnipresent today, so is the Holy Spirit. That includes the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit. By you stating that the gifts stopped even though the Azusa Street revival happened and more even in 2014 are clearly happening, you are adding false doctrine to God’s Word. “You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” Deuteronomy 4:2 “and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:19 Once again, I state this out of love.
    I understand that many people can get so carried away with doctrine, it can become unbiblical. I agree with you on that. However, to say that something obviously in the Bible, died off is not a true statement. If it was true, why not let everything in the Bible die off? Like love, faith, etc? We don’t see as much love nowadays, nor is there a huge record of it in history, is it right to assume that it died off? No, not at all. Many people don’t understand the gifts of the Holy Spirit or have never spoken in tongues before and because it has never happened to them, they give up and deny what they do not understand. But God understands. It can happen. Just because there may have been a period in time where the gifts were not physically recorded, it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Think about it, the church was under a lot of persecution back then so many churches were underground. Many people today are being filled with the Holy Spirit and are speaking in tongues but they may not have written a book about it. Paul instructs us “…to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life and attend to your own business and work with your hands, just as we commanded you,” 1 Thessalonians 4:11. Note: A quiet life.

    The Bible says that “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8) The same Jesus who told us (all of us, not just those before 100 C.E.) “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.” John 14:12
    The same Jesus who said in John 14:16, “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;” He said forever, not until 100 C.E.

    When I first heard of speaking in tongues, it was different to my flesh, I thought it to be very different and at the same time, I had no idea what was going on. But when my dad laid his hands on me, told me to keep praising God from my belly, I just let go and did it, and suddenly, I spoke another language, felt overwhelming peace I can’t describe and it was amazing. My life was never the same. Even today, I am able to do so many more things I never could do before. I am able to say “no” to things I had no power to say “no” to before. I’ve become very healthy and I dream things that do end up happening. I knew a man had high blood pressure without ever meeting him before. He looked at me and asked how I knew. I told him God showed me. Yes, the Holy Spirit is still alive and active and it is pretty awesome. Even to this day I’m still learning about being led by God and how the power of God operates because I want God to use me to heal like I see Him use so many other ministers. It is good to desire the gifts of the Spirit, even the Bible tells us that. I have so much more peace now. I still go through trials and issues, but I can face them so much better now and can overcome them because greater is He that is in me “…greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.” 1 John 4:4

    Yes tongues are good for use in prayer. The Apostle Paul never forbid anyone to speak in tongues. He said speaking in tongues builds up your spirit, which is a good thing, not a bad thing. And that in church, it is better to prophesy because it helps everyone, not just yourself. Does prophesy mean that speaking in tongues shouldn’t happen? No. Speaking in tongues is for personal prayer, which could be at anytime, in church, at home, in a prayer room, etc. Why do some pastors encourage everyone to speak in tongues at their worship service? Because it’s building up their spirit. The more our spirits are built, the more ammunition we have to overcome obstacles and break chains in our lives. Prophesy is important too because it helps the church. These Bible verses were not meant to be taken out of context. The Word of God stands as it is. “One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church. Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.” 1 Corinthians 14:4-5
    In 1 Corinthians 13:8-10, Paul is speaking of when we reach that true perfection with the Lord. He’s not saying that the gifts will be gone. The scriptures don’t contradict one another.
    In the area of prophecy: “It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions.” Joel 2:28 (Also see Acts 2:17 which almost matches the verse)
    In the area of knowledge: “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…” Hosea 4:6
    In the area of tongues: “And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;” Mark 16:17
    All three are still alive and well today. Us Christians are still in the process of being perfected. We are still a work in progress. We have the power and comfort of the Holy Spirit with us to help us achieve that point of perfection in Jesus Christ. Our flesh can’t do it on our own, that’s why we rely on the power of God to change, deliver, and set us free to truly live a more abundant life. “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.” John 10:10 We can go to school and work in the peace of God, situations we always struggled with, we begin to overcome, we can deal with situations that we never could before and really say “no” to sin because it is the power of God that enables us so much more than we ever could in our own strength.

    Jesus said “”Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.” Mathew 7:7. I pray that you may discover the power of the Holy Spirit, not because of some denomination, but because being filled with God’s power is a precious gift from our Father in heaven and because we can “live life and live life more abundantly.” It’s a gift that Jesus said we can have. I want anything and everything Jesus has for me. Don’t you?
    I consider myself to be part of the body of Christ. Some may call me Charismatic, some may call me other things, but I call myself a child of the Most High God and it has been the best life I’ve ever had. I love being filled with the Holy Spirit and I pray that God may fill you with it as well. He can. “And looking at them Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”” Matthew 19:26 It is never my intention to try and go outside of the Word of God. The Bible is so precious to me, it’s a book of life and light. What I believe most definitely can be found in the Word. Speaking in tongues can be found in the Word, but yet it is still wrongly questioned and denied when God clearly does not want us to sweep anything under the rug found in His Word. I pray the Lord may open up more people’s eyes and hearts to His truth, not our own.

    “Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.” Ephesians 6:24

  4. Danny

    I have to agree with L zvina you seem to have gotten a little wise in your own eyes.
    In acts 2:16-21 Peter says this was uttered by the prophet Joel, not that his prophesy was fulfilled and final,, how, when, where and how often His Holy Spirit is poured out is up to God alone !!! As for 1st Cor 13:8-10 V 10 “when the Perfect comes” is the second coming not the new testament. “perfect” means finished, Whencomplete, perfect all Christians know only God is perfect and he is clearly not finished,.

    • deusvitae

      Yes, Peter says on Pentecost that “this is.” That is a fulfillment description.

      The perfect thing cannot be the return of Jesus because it’s a neuter (thing) not a masculine (i.e. Jesus). Back up a bit: what did Paul et al prophesy “in part” or speak in tongues “in part”? Jesus? No; the mystery of revelation of the Gospel. If that was the “partial,” then its completion is the fulfillment of 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 to which history attests.

  5. Paul Thomas

    Although many students are sitting in the class room, all students are not equally understanding and get equal 100% marks . “The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy” Rev.19.10 (Kjv.) 1Cor. 13. 8: whether there is knowledge it will vanish away. , please note that the testimony of Jesus is not ceased, and the knowledge as well.

    My telephone No. 9313802501, Delhi No. My name Paul Thomas

  6. Matthew Adams

    Somethin we all here need to understand… ok ! that God is out side our time and understanding !
    so with this in mind Deusvitae and Christina, quite wasting time go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, With your understanding and with what God has shown you, and He will equip you with everything you need… just as the Disciples waited just as you and i Began our Journey with Christ I believe that he is the Author and perfecter of our Faith NO one else. Keep your eyes on the Prize Run the Race and Finish well, look at the log in your own eye, and lets encourage one another to share our Faith and lead others to our King and Savior Jesus !
    Matthew Adams

  7. Omondi Walter

    I love the Glossolalia it makes me remember my years in the early 1990s when I first spoke in tongues, thanks be to He has remained faithful in my life.

  8. Donovan A. Moore

    I am now fully agnostic. It amazes me how The Infinite Holy Spirit that so many Christians claim they have or better yet are so filled with (perhaps meaning to embody or have fully) has not revealed clarity and truth to them, and help them to come to a full understanding of things (if such a state is even possible for limited human beings with varying degrees of intellectual capacity and bounded awareness). Or is it a feature of their own deliberate propensity to ignorance? Is the imparting of such Divine efficacy intend to endow you with the power to babble unrecognized words, or to live holy or to teach you truth and wisdom, or to enable you to do super-human things (that you call Miracles – Let amputated limbs grow back if you want to demonstrate a miracle!)? Sigh…It appears to me that the distorted, fragmented, confused, diversified bundle of so-called Christians are varying degrees of Westernized (mostly) hypocritical, human-based socio-religious, collective response to make sense of our isolated existence in a large (apparently lonely) universe. The atrocities and genocidal wickedness and greed happening in the world, despite your claims of a Loving GOD is something for many of you racist, selfish, greedy ‘Christians’ to reconcile (Yes the Devil some would say is a factor – Guess Satan’s power is here on planet earth more ‘concentrated’)….Fact is, the actual manifestation of true piety, power and genuine purity recorded in scripture of the time just before first century seems lost in obscurity; it does NOT now exist – at least not in any profound ways. The mesmerizing, shouting, babbling, accompanied by ‘get rich and prosper’ teaching brought on by loud, upbeat, repetitious music is mass psycho-social control. Nor is the opposite dead tone, formalized, empty, mundane attendance in the more ‘traditional churches’ any more fulfilling either….If the truth exist I am not convinced its anywhere among the set of fragmented set of multiple denominations of Christianity.

  9. Tom Landy

    Donovan A. Moore
    Agnostic: someone who believes that there can be no proof of the existence of God, but does not deny the possibility that God exists. I wonder if you are agnostic or are an atheist?
    I hope that you remain open to the possibility that God is real, and is here, and wants to be a part of your life. I hope that one day you experience this love as I have and so many others have. None of us are perfect, but God’s love is.

  10. Pastor Ralph

    If there is anytime the Church needs great power to witness the resurrection of Jesus it is now. If that be the case I believe we don’t need ANY LESS THAN the full power and anointing of the Holy Spirit like the early disciples

    Peter said regarding the outpouring of the Holy Spirit:
    “For the promise is unto you, and your children, and to all that are far off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call” Acts 2:38

  11. Pastor Raphael Olurotimi

    To me it’s an absurd theology to say the time of miracle has passed. How an God allowed miracles in the Old Testament and New Testament and will NOT allow it in this generation. What happens to “This gospel of the Kingdom of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come” The gospel of the kingdom is associated with power, miracles and wonders.

    Yes, there has been excesses among many Pentecostal and charismatics, as there have been among Ceassionists, that’s not an excuse to to say condemn the move.
    So how would you explain the great works God is doing all over the world in Asia, Latin America, Africa etc through the Pentecostals & Charismatices??? Would you be bold and courageous enough to attribute those to the works of Satan???

    It’s time all bible believing Churches (who believe in the authority of the scriptures, Tje Saviourship, Messiaship and Lordship of the Lord Jesus, the New birth experience and other cardinal teachings of the bible to put aside all our differences, fellowship and bless one another and launch in faith to do exploits for the Lord in this end time. God bless the saints of God

  12. Nathan Chip

    :We must first examine the “pre-Pentecostal” era, the time before 1901. Many churches received the message of the Holiness movement, which stemmed from Wesleyan theology. Many of these groups were looking forward to a “renewal of the Holy Spirit,” when the gifts present on the day of Pentecost would return to the churches. Many of these Holiness groups became Pentecostal after the turn of the century; others did not accept the message. Therefore, when we discuss a denomination that existed before 1901, we must understand that the denomination was founded first and only later became Pentecostal.”
    From this passage, it is easy to see that you only think of pentecostalism as a belief in the speaking of tongues. There is so much more to it. The way i understand it, it also says that all the gifts and miracles of the bible can happen today. Therefore, when one says that this period before 1901 was the pre pentecostal era, it’s more like that in the mid 1880s there were churches that were already heading that way, because they wanted the gifts present on day of pentecost to return. Even if they were new churches, they still count.

  13. Seth Tawiah

    You got it all wrong from the beginning. Jesus said I will not leave you orphan but I will send the comforter when he comes will teach you all things. The problem is that you lack the spiritual capacity to understand scriptures. You are no different from the religious folks in Jesus days on earth where Jesus told them in Mark 12:24 that the are making error simply because they lack the power to understand Bible. Likewise you like the power due to the fact that it takes the Holy Spirit to get power and here the case you don’t believe. You guys should remember in 1 Corinthian 2: 10-14 that it takes Holy Spirit to understand the things of God. They are not ordinary history to interpret with ordinary wisdom. You also quoted Isaiah and wrongly interpreted. Know this that when Prophet Isaiah was speaking he was talking to Jews and Jesus had not come then they were all not wealthy therefore the spirit of God could not dwell in them rather few people called prophet tk whom God used them to occasionally to minister to His people. The common phrase was “and the Spirit came upon” but after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ sin has dealt with. So whoever genuinely accepted Jesus is full of the spirit of God therefore reason along with God. No more demarcation. Remember also not only Peter who imparted Holy Spirit but Paul was also did mention “the elders” and we know Paul was not part of the Original Apostles as that of the twelve. 1tim. 4:14. Just understand dispensation and you will do yourself good than deceiving people with your wrong teaching. Thank you

  14. say it

    I am attending a charismatic deliverance ministry in Nairobi called Jesus teaching ministry.
    Unfortunately for me I am having to undergo so much deliverance from possessing spirits that cause all manner of raucous and talk all kinds of stuff.
    Most of my problems, going by deliverance, seem to stem from the so many charismatic and pentecostal involvement that I had as a child and teenager. I am having to be delivered from evil spirits whose source is the like of Benny hinn and kathyrn kulman and Rebecca brown.
    So I will ask all of you to excuse me if I am not very thrilled by all those toungues and miracles.
    It would appear most of it is really satanic.

  15. Gary Shroyer

    Pastor Gary W. Shroyer
    I believe that the greatest gift of the Holy Spirit through speaking in tongues is not the prayer language nor speaking in another language known to man, Jesus said to tarry in Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high. Then He said “YE SHALL BE WITNESSES” all over the earth. You see The biggest kept secret in Charismatic and Pentecostal Movements is that the Holy Spirit want to speak through you in English or what ever your natural language is. With the same anointing as one speaks in tongues by faith, trusting God for the leading of the Holy Spirit, We are to share the Good News of the Gospel of Christ under that same unction. The Apostle Paul said that He would rather speak five word easily understood than ten thousand word in an unknown tongue. But if you do not have a prayer life of praying in tongues, praying however the Holy Spirit prompts you to pray ( including not only words, but by groanings, utterances and emotional heart felt guidance, Your witness life will not be powerful. Also “The Gospel of Christ” The Great Commission” Is what Jesus wants us to tell, Not why my group is better than yours, or visions and beliefs that stray from the focus of soul winning. God Bless You

  16. Dan

    You speak against the Baptism otHS for today, yet the Venice Church (Eastlake) supports a second experience in their creeds. Why different?

  17. Peter Wright

    I specifically need a full critique of the modern – and future – Pentecostal and charismatic movements and how to keep a faith in Jesus Christ – especially when I as a Born-again Christian – seriously uphold dreams and visions as being from Christ are ENTIRELY LEGITIMATE – AS IS RADICAL GRACE – AND SERIOUSLY BE TOTALLY INFLUENTIAL IN MY OWN LIFE AS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO INFLUENCES THOSE AROUND HIM INCLUDING THOSE FROM MY FAMILY OF ORIGIN BY TURNING THE BIAS TOTALLY IN MY FAVOUR AND NOT THEIRS AS THIS DEFINITELY MEANS I AM AN ADULT IN TRUTH ALSO?(All-important as I know for sure the modern Charismatic and Pentecostal churches – and the Christians in them – are totally one-sided and do not seriously believe – as when they are out of church they usually – note usually – live a totally different life and their word isn’t as much value as they all pretend it to be as I know for sure that it is only me who is right as the evidence they have is only total conjecture and nothing is ever trusted – nor trustworthy – about such things as my whole basis for dreams and visions is that in my life are only from the Lord Jesus Christ and the reality is only the Lord Jesus Christ knows my life implicitly but I find in our secular society in the Western World that science, education, philosophy, and education are generally – and genuinely – replacing the place Christ Jesus originally had in the mainstream churches and this is exactly why I do not choose to be with family and associate myself with a particular charismatic and Pentecostal church as I am genuinely only interested in Western Christians – and similar who value the supernatural component of Christianity as I just find it a waste of time when Christianity does not value the warnings on another gospel being preached other than what Christ taught – I suffice to say need to know this for sure as I do not need explanations which are total guesswork – but what is actual divine revelation and the reason that warning originally got made to Christians in the church at Galatia as also learning -and applying the need to protect myself against all confidence tricksters and find my voice as a person – and even be totally real – and totally assert myself against those everywhere – especially in the Christian church – who just fight it as I argue that I cannot be a Christian unless I take the warnings of Christ seriously and get out of totally dysfunctional coping mechanisms that I challenge every Christian believer as Christ knows the inner scoop of my life as those in it do not and as he is far more switched on that he will not miss anything fellow humans will as all humans – including and especially me – have our limitations and therefore Christ must be the one who genuinely steers – and even implements change – in our lives as ones who defend Christ as the life where one is a new creation and victorious never happens as the past is the only indicator – and suffice to say this is where the whole of Christianity fails – and eventually that means me as I don’t know where I cannot connect any of the threads in connection to only having what Christ fully anticipates for my future and not any friends! In Christ’s name, Amen!(Send replies answering these questions to my email address as I need genuine counsel as my Christian faith must only come from Christ and the way he has chosen to direct his will – and even implement it – in my life – and it is such a disappointment that things that just fully involve absolute speculation – especially their groundless concerns and arguments – get total precedence – as much as tampering with my own beliefs that originally made Christ decide I am a genuine person to lead in Revival! I must therefore effectively know how to make an effective case for myself that fully involves going against the flow totally of how the majority of Born-again Christians think as I am totally fair dinkum that only Christ shall give me real sanity as everything Christ said about the future he has for me is the only plumb line that is any good as those Born-again Christians just get bogged down in the past and only defend people and not get all those Born-again Christians to Christ as I need to fully undergird – and establish – my life on the finished work of Christ and being totally shaped by fully surrendering my self life and not being diverted by well-meaning people whoever they are who are entirely wrong themselves – as our conclusions are totally misleading as in no way have I decided to establish a following in anything to do with the Christian faith – and I do not need someone else answering for me – nor have the concerns of other Christians been any helpful – as I know their word – especially about me totally contradicts the whole reason for Christ and the gospel – as such people just put their full weight with religious cults – and that means even me being made to believe in what they say – as nothing in it is to do with the finished work of Christ – is just as much as at fault as their own conclusions – especially my former friend who is wrongly influenced – as he knows much less of my life than they do – so only Christ and the professionals he provided for me in the United States know exactly how to help me as their conclusions are on entirely solid ground and that means I shall only put my full weight as a person against them as I am sure this chapter of my life must end and only as Christ decides! Amen!)

  18. Chris

    Remember when the children of Israel entered the promised land. They were Becoming mature and had been literally walking by pillars of fire by night and smoke by day. They even ate mana from heaven. But when The crossed over a lot of the overtly outward miracles they had been walking with stopped. God was with them, he never left them when they entered the promise land, but I think it was time for them to trust him. Always seeing and having awe and wonder on demand is not a sign of great faith, but maybe lack. Jesus said to thomas that because you see me You believe blessed are those who believe me and have not seen me.
    I have not seen Jesus but I’m blessed because i believe him at his word and the holy spirit is with me.
    I know Jesus does miracles for us often. Yet we gotta be ware that a deception will occur involving signs and wonders to deceive.
    Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away…Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
    How did jannes and jambres ( the magicians of egypt)withstand moses? With false miracles. So every supernatural occurrence is Not of God. Trust Jesus who you love yet have not seen!

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