The Baptist movement began in Holland in 1609 with an English Separatist, John Smythe, who preached the need for immersion in water as baptism and that it was for believers, not infants. The movement was brought to England two years later and quickly began to spread. By the middle of the seventeenth century, the movement was on American shores, where the Baptists would eventually grow to be one of the largest groups of “Christians” in North America. Baptists have developed and accepted many doctrines over the past four hundred years, with much evidence of Calvinist and premillennial influence. The movement has since diversified, and very few groups of Baptists have much in common; very few generalizations can hold true across the board.

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The study of the variants in the Baptist movement is a study within itself, for there are hundreds of different groups ascribing to different sets of beliefs. In general, Baptist groups range from being outright Calvinist to those teaching more accurately concerning baptism, salvation, and God’s final Judgment. The general considerations and topics of discussion will be accurate for a large number of Baptists but can by no means be attributable to all.

Some of the general terms used to describe different types of Baptists ought to be defined. “General” Baptists are those who believe that the blood of Christ was shed for all men, and so salvation is generally available to all men. “Particular” Baptists are more influenced by Calvinism and accept the concept of limited atonement. “Freewill” Baptists reject many aspects of Calvinism and believe that men have free will. “Landmark” Baptists believe that the local church is the expression of the universal assembly in a given area, to the exclusion of any others. “Primitive” Baptists seek to return to the primitive faith of the New Testament.

Major groups include the American Baptist Association, American Baptist Churches in the USA, Baptist General Conference (emerging from Pietism), General Association of General Baptist Churches, General Association of Regular Baptist Churches, National Association of Free Will Baptists, National Baptist Convention of America, National Primitive Baptist Convention, New Testament Association of Independent Baptist Churches, North American Baptist Conference, Primitive Baptists, Progressive National Baptist Convention, Reformed Baptist Church, and the Southern Baptist Convention.

General Considerations

Part I

Lutheranism: Faith Alone

Calvinism: P- Perseverance of the Saints

Plymouth Brethren: Dispensationalism; Premillennialism

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Community Church Movement

House Church Movement

Megachurch Movement


Part III

Baptism: Baptism is for Remission of Sin and is Necessary for Salvation

The Church Treasury, I: Benevolence: Church Benevolence to Non-Saints; The Missionary Society

The Church Treasury, II: Other Considerations: Hospitals; Centers of Education; Kitchens/ Fellowship Halls; Gymnasiums; Business Enterprises

Concerning Observances:
Observances Concerning the Lord’s Birth: Christmas
Observances Concerning the Lord’s Death: Palm Sunday; Good Friday; Easter

Instrumental Music

Judaic Practices: The Ten Commandments and the “Moral Law”

The Lord’s Supper: The Bread and the Fruit of the Vine; When Should the Lord’s Supper Be Observed? Part A: Weekly

Positions of Authority: Who is the Pastor?; Ordination; Synods, Councils, Conventions, and Other Meetings

“Once Saved, Always Saved”

Many Baptist groups hold to a doctrine rather similar to Calvinism’s P- Perseverance of the Saints, called “Once Saved, Always Saved” (hereafter OSAS). Essentially, many Baptists have taken the Calvinist notion of “perseverance of the saints” exclusively, omitting the rest of the TULIP belief system. The belief is that once you have been saved, no matter what you do, you will still be saved. OSAS is based on Romans 8:35-39 (discussed in Calvinism: P- Perseverance of the Saints), and verses like Acts 16:31:

And they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.”

Verses like these, which state that belief will lead to salvation, are used to say that salvation must come. Do the Scriptures teach this?

The Scriptures do teach that we can be sure of our salvation as we walk in the light (1 John 1:7). Nevertheless, our salvation is dependent on our continued obedience to God and His Word, as He Himself has made evident in Matthew 10:22:

“And ye shall be hated of all men for My name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.”

The Scriptures do make it clear that we can lose our salvation, as seen in Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26-31 in Calvinism: P- Perseverance of the Saints, and also in Hebrews 3:12-14 and 2 Peter 2:20-22:

Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God: but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called To-day; lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin: for we are become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end.

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the last state is become worse with them than the first. For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them. It has happened unto them according to the true proverb,
“The dog turning to his own vomit again,” and, “the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire.”

There are many that take issue with these verses, especially 2 Peter 2:20-22. They will say that Peter is discussing “false teachers” and that they were never saved. It is true that Peter is discussing false teachers, as seen in 2 Peter 2:1, but this does not necessitate that they were never saved. These individuals are said to have “escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” Mere comprehension of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ does not lead to the escape of the defilements of the world, for we see many individuals who heard and understood (cf. Felix in Acts 24:22-27), yet still were defiled by the world. It is evident that these individuals were thus in the fold of Christ and then departed from it, having been again “entangled in [the world’s defilements] and overcome.”

In attempting to defend OSAS, many will say that since we cannot work to gain our salvation, we can do nothing to lose it. This argument is based on a false premise, that what cannot be gained by work cannot be lost by it. It is true that we cannot gain salvation by any deed that we can do, for Christ’s death on the cross is sufficient (John 3:16). No one will deny, however, that salvation must be accepted. We must accept the truth that Christ died on the cross for our sins and that through Him we will be saved. We must then confess His name, repent of our sins, and be immersed in water for the forgiveness of our sins, for this is the method that He has demonstrated for us to show our acceptance of His sacrifice (Matthew 10:32, Romans 10:9-10, Acts 2:38). This is not the end of our demonstration of acceptance, for we are told that we also must make sacrifice in Romans 12:1-2:

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service. And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, and ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Furthermore, we have the witness that obedience to God’s will must exist if we are not to be condemned in 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9:

If so be that it is righteous thing with God to recompense affliction to them that afflict you, and to you that are afflicted rest with us, at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with the angels of his power in flaming fire, rendering vengeance to them that know not God, and to them that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus: who shall suffer punishment, even eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might.

It is thus true that we have not gained salvation by our deeds, but we have surely accepted salvation by our deeds. And it is very true that if we accept salvation by our deeds, we can then reject it by our deeds.

It is also said by those defending OSAS that the Bible clearly says that our belief will save us. While this is true, the Bible also says clearly that confession will save us in Romans 10:9-10:

Because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Furthermore, baptism also will save us in 1 Peter 3:21:

which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Finally, the Bible is clear that our continued obedience also will save us, as Jesus said in Matthew 10:22:

“And ye shall be hated of all men for My name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.”

This long list of Scriptures is given to prove an argument also made in Baptism: Baptism is for Remission of Sin and is Necessary for Salvation: the Bible says what is necessary for salvation, but never says in any one place all the things necessary for salvation. Will we deny that belief is necessary because Romans 10:9-10 says that confession also saves us? Or will we deny the need for belief, confession, repentance, and baptism because Jesus said in Matthew 10:22 that our endurance will allow us to be saved? By no means! We see that belief is necessary because of Acts 16:31, that confession is necessary by Matthew 10:32, and so on, and that all of these criteria need to be met, not just the ones we pick and choose. Therefore, our final salvation is dependent on our ability to endure.

We have already discussed many Scriptures that show the need for obedience for salvation; there are other arguments that can be used to show the difficulties with OSAS:

Satan: In the belief system of OSAS, no matter what we do, we are saved. Therefore, why should we fear Satan? If we can be saved regardless of what we do, there is nothing that Satan can do to us. If this is so, why then does Peter say the following in 1 Peter 5:8?

Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

Sin: If we are saved no matter what we do, as is said in OSAS, then what if we commit a terrible sin? Let us say that a Christian loses his composure and kills a man, and will not repent of the sin. Then what?

It is often said that a true Christian would not do such a thing. This is so, but all Christians will falter at some point, as John says clearly in 1 John 1:8-10:

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

“We” in this context refers to Christians, and thus we would be making Christ a liar if we would say that we have not sinned since becoming children of God.

Normally, the response will be made that if a Christian were to do such a thing, he would still be saved, but he would not go to Heaven. There are many variants of this response, with the person not going to Heaven or losing fellowship with God or losing their “testimony.” Regardless, the principle is the same: salvation is being differentiated from going to Heaven or having fellowship with the Father. There is only one response that can be given to this: where did God ever separate “salvation” from going to Heaven/having fellowship with Him/having a “testimony”? He does no such thing!

The implication of this argument is enormous. If I can be “saved” but will not go to Heaven, what is the value of salvation? Salvation is made almost worthless if the promises of Heaven and peace do not go along with it. Furthermore, where do those who are “saved” but cannot enter Heaven go? God has never made such distinctions, and therefore, neither should we.

This argument shows the inherent flaw in OSAS, for it is based on the premise that salvation is immediate and permanent. The Scriptures, especially in 1 Peter 1:3-9, make it clear that there are two levels of salvation: initial salvation, obtained when one becomes a child of God, and final salvation, which will be made manifest in the resurrection. While we have obtained initial salvation, we strive toward our final salvation, which will be based on our endurance in the truth. This is why God makes it evident that salvation is only possible for those who continue in His truth. Our salvation is only permanent when we have left this Earth and have returned to our Master.

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52 Responses

  1. Mike

    Whoever wrote this articlke is deceived! This dude does not know the doctrine of eternal salvation! as well as much of the Bible! I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish! said Jesus. If a saved person could lose their salvation then it would not be salvation only probation! Jesus also said all that the father has given me I shall lose nothing!

    • deusvitae

      Those verses are there. You assume that they must mean that everyone who ever believed will automatically be in that group no matter what.

      There are other passages of Scripture, as described above, that speak of people who believed, cleansed from sin, sanctified, but turned away from the Lord and back to sin, and would receive condemnation for it (Hebrews 10:26-31, 2 Peter 2:20-22). There are also the constant warnings of Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23 and Matthew 25:14-30.

      Any doctrine that cannot make sense of the whole revelation of God is only a half-truth, and half-truths cannot save.

      • mint

        Please read destined to reign by Joseph prince and please remove this article. Stop deceiving people. Please !

        • Julia Jahnke

          I want to say the Bible says, Jesus says, come out from among the world. You cannot live in sin and be saved. God says you cannot serve him and the world of sin as well. If you are in darkness, living in sin, then you are not Gods child but are the devils child. You cannot be in light and darkness at the same time. Just like you can’t sin and live righteously at the same time. God talks about all this in the Bible and about lukewarm Christians who he will spit out of his mouth, read Revelation. Yes, salvation is a free gift if we choose to live for God, that means not living in sin, those who sin can lose there salvation, there are so many scriptures talking about this, that you people all over look and really don’t study the word, cause if you did you would know all this. People who live for God and obey him are his children, not people who don’t. You people are feeble minded and deceived. The bible says, the pathway is narrow and only a few will find it. I am not religious but a Christian, which is a relationship with Jesus Christ, if you have a deep relationship with Jesus you won’t sin or want to sin cause Jesus changes our heart, and life, and transforms us. A new life is having a changed life, not living the same way we have. Why have salvation without a changed and transformed life, then what good is it? We cannot compromise Gods word, It either is or isn’t. People are blinded to truth, because they do what they want, and not what God wants them to do, or what he says to do. Disobedience to Gods word is sin. God says in Revelation, that if anyone add or take away from the word of God and does not believe, along with living truth, there name would not be in the lambs book of life. People preach a false doctrine not what the King James bible says. People better be careful with what they say and do cause each person will be held accountable by God for it. So you all need to get Revelation from The Holy Spirit, and God’s Word and what he says. It’s just not about reading a few scripture or knowing the Bible, The Devil acknowledges God and knows scripture but look where he is, and what he does, but we are to get Revelation from Jesus and his word, and live by it. Apply it to your life. Jesus is the Revelator!! Only through Jesus and by living obedient to him, living and serving him, not living in sin but being Righteous and Holy in Him, can we be saved. People acknowledge God but that is all, but do you all really live for him… You all have a form of Godliness but deny the power of God. People wake up!! Time is short and we need to be ready to live and die for Jesus, the one who gave his life for us!!

        • michael king

          Joseph Prince is a false teaching man pleaser. Consider yourself

      • Jack H

        None of these four passages (Hebrews 10:26-31, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 25:14-30) have anything to do with losing one’s salvation.

        Hebrews: This book being specifically directed toward the Jews, is telling them that once they know about the perfect sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, they cannot expect the sacrifice of bulls and turtle doves to continue to bring forgiveness of sin. By continuing to sacrifice animals, they have, “trampled underfoot” the sacrifice of Christ.

        2 Peter: Nothing here says the person who becomes again entangled in the, “defilements of the world” after knowing God’s righteousness has lost their salvation.

        Matthew 7: This is merely another instance of the Bible telling us that works are not able to save us. All the prophecy, casting out of demons, and good works…even if done in His name…will not get a person into Heaven.

        Matthew 25: Again, nothing here about losing salvation. The third servant never knew his master…just like those who prophesy, cast out demons, and do good works in His name never knew Him in Matthew 7. This person was never saved, or he would have known Him.

        In the article, you cite Hebrews 6:4-6 as proof that salvation can be lost, but nothing could be further from the truth. The statement here is that it would be impossible to be saved, lose your salvation, then get saved again because the second “salvation” would require a second crucifixion of Jesus. It is true that this passage cannot be used to prove that salvation is eternal, but to claim that it shows that salvation can be lost is a complete misreading of the passage.

        For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
        Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

        • deusvitae

          Hebrews 10:26-31 may be directed at Jewish Christians but the passage absolutely cannot sustain your exegesis. He writes about people who have “sinned willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth”; what “truth” would the Hebrew author be referencing but the Gospel? And what is the consequence of such behavior? They crucify Jesus afresh; they outrage the Spirit of grace; they have profaned the blood of the covenant by which they have been sanctified. This has nothing to do with animal sacrifices!

          In terms of 2 Peter 2:20-22, are you suggesting that a person could be entangled again in the world, defiled thereby, in a worse condition than before they were saved, and yet still “have salvation”? Such an argument renders “salvation” meaningless. “We must destroy this house in order to save it!”

          Your understanding of Matthew 7:21-23 cannot be sustained in light of the actual categories Jesus uses. Those who cry “Lord” without being saved are those who have not done the Father’s will. They have instead “worked iniquity.” Sure, their religious behavior could not save them; no one is arguing to the contrary. But your interpretation does violence to the words Jesus says and the way He phrases it. The only way to reach the conclusion you have is to impose an understanding and interpretation of other verses upon Matthew 7.

          The same is true in Matthew 25. The Master never declares that the third servant never knew Him; quite the contrary. The Master gave him the money. The Master expected something back from it. Every reference to the “outer darkness” is a warning not to unbelievers but to the people of God.

          No one is arguing that any external agent can separate us from the love of God. But we can choose to turn our back on God. Romans 8:31-39 does not address that situation. Plenty of other Scriptures do.

          • Faye

            I really like the your explanation. Thank you. I believe OSAS is Satan’s favorite lie…

    • Haley


      The Sinner’s Prayer

      If you don’t know the Lord Jesus Christ, now it the time to ask Him into your life. All you need to do is repent of your sins, commit to following Him and simply ask Him into your life. If you pray this prayer, please let us know, so that we may pray with and for you as you begin your walk with the Lord.

      The basis of the sinner’s prayer comes from Romans 10:9-10.

      “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
      There are a variety of ‘sinner’s prayers’, all of which say in the simplest terms,

      “God, I know that I am a sinner.”

      “God, I know that the wages of sin is death.”

      “God, I have no power over my sin.”

      “God, I turn away from my sin,”

      “God, I ask your son, Jesus Christ, to come into my life and forgive me.”

      “Come into my life Lord Jesus.”

      “Thank you God for the gift of eternal life. Amen.

  2. Bee

    Something else to ponder on is the fact that when Satan was in Heaven, he was absolutely perfect. Yet, he fell and a third of the angels fell with him. And he was perfect! Also, think of it more as “walking away from salvation” rather than “losing salvation.” God doesn’t really take it away. Instead, we walk away. Thanks for this article!

    • Clarenz

      Hey guys if we do not understand the work of JESUS on the cross which is the atoning death of Christ and it’s full impact our theology will wondering and believe in the different views rather to the truth of His word;after we received the spirit of truth thus God take Him away from us because of our performance anyway regardless of what I feel(guilt) it will never take away my inheritance of being a child of God john 1:12 but the bible does not teach to live in sin but to live in the Spirit of Christ there are lot of Christian who live in they’re own and let us all be reminded Not all are strong in faith the rest are undiscipled so God has given us all a work to encourage one another as it is called today I’m not Armenian I believe in the power and the perfect and full sacrifice of Christ i have a work to do to preach the Love of Christ to the non believer,false converted man,and to a doubting believer in Christ I also believe in OSAS because it is the will of God in every Christian it would be better for us to read the whole book of Romans then we will understand the grace and Love of Christ in the last day this is the judgement of God John 3:18 and in Romans 8:1 says there is no more condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus God bless guys shalom

    • Jesus Saves

      First mistake: comparing angels with humans. This cannot be done. Angels were in no way impacted by Christ. The Word clearly states that while they have free will, they do not get second chances. As soon as they make a mistake, they’re cast into the fiery pit.

      Second mistake: You can walk away from your “head decision” of salvation. But the Word says that if you do so, you were never saved in the first place. You can NEVER walk away from your “heart decision” of salvation. I believe this is where so much of the confusion comes into play for most. No one, no thing can separate us, not even our continued sin. Otherwise, why would the Word tell us that all sins-past, present, and future-are forgiven? As long as there is repentance, there is evidence of the Holy Spirit living in us. If there is no repentance of our sins, the Spirit is not in us and, therefore, we were never saved to begin with.

      • Ben

        That is a lie from Hell you got from your Calvinist Teachers not the Holy Ghost. Get out in a cave for 30-40 days with no food and have the Holy Ghost teach you all things.

  3. Alex

    Isaiah 14:12-16 speaks about the fall of Satan
    2 Peter 2:4 says that God didn’t even spare the angels who sinned and threw them into Hell
    Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus warns that not everyone that claims to know Him will enter Heaven. He will say go away you who break God’s laws.
    Revelations 2:4-6 warns that if we don’t repent, He will remove our lampstand
    Revelations 3:5 says that of the ones that overcome, Jesus will not blot out their names of the book of life. This shows the possibility of your name being taken out of the book of life.
    Revelations 3:15-19 says that God will spew out of His mouth the ones of us that are lukewarm. He would rather us be completely against Him (cold) than to claim Him when we really don’t have Him. Being spewed out of God’s mouth doesn’t sound like a good thing. Do you really believe He would spew you right into Heaven?
    2 Peter 2 20-22 says that we were better to have never come to have known the Lord at all than to know Him, then leave Him. So there is a possibility of being a Christian, then no longer having righteousness.
    Romans 3:31 says that you should not make void the law of God through faith!
    James 2:17-20 shows that just believing in one God and His son, Jesus, isn’t enough. The demons believe that, but they tremble in terror.
    Matthew 21:28-32 Jesus tells the parable of the two sons where only one was righteous. He says that the son who claimed he would do right to his father but didn’t in the end was not righteous, but the son who did not claim to do right for his father then changed and ended up doing right was considered righteous.
    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 says that no one who sins and is deemed unrighteous shall inherit the kingdom of Heaven.
    Hebrews 6:1-8 and 10:19-31 clearly claim that anyone who rejects the son of God by continuing in sin shall face eternal hellfire that is God’s judgment.
    Galatians 5:16-26 states again that anyone that gives in to their sinful nature will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    1 John 3:4-10 says that anyone who lives in Jesus will not sin! And anyone who sins is of the devil because he sinned from the beginning!!
    Romans 6 reads that God forbid be continue in sin that grace may abound! That we are dead to sin so how can we live anymore in it? God says that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ if we choose to accept Him and no longer commit these sins.
    John 14:15-25 Jesus says that if you truly love Him, you will keep His commandments. And if you do not keep His commandments, you do not truly love Him!!

    I love this passage and agree with it. If you die in unconfessed and unrepentant sin, you will eternally burn in Hell. If a faithful Christian of 50 years has a tragedy and turns from God and no longer believes in Him, do you believe he will spend eternity with someone he no longer believes in? And if you don’t give up your sinful lifestyle, do you believe that sinfulness would change if God let you into Heaven with it? You would still sin the same! And God doesn’t allow that in Heaven. Again I say, look at Lucifer! One of the highest angels, but still fell from God’s grace when he sinned against God.

    • Ron B

      So many here are so bound. The version of “the truth” has not set you free at all – It has just placed you in a different prison. A prison of rules and regulations and wondering if you’ve reached some arbitrary mark made up of whatever your pet sins are based on your limited and slanted perceptions of the Word of God. Frankly – If in your version of truth you can lose your salvation then there can be no eternal security. Without eternal security joy is impossible to find and it becomes about your behavior. When it becomes about your behavior it becomes about comparing yourself to others. Never forget – none are good – not before – not anywhere in the middle. We are not like Him until we see His face. If anyone says they are without sin they are a liar and the truth is not in them…

  4. Tiffany

    It’s sad so many are lost believing the satanic doctrine of once saved always saved. I guess its laziness. They want a free and easy ride. The Bible is clear anyone can turn from Christ after salvation thus becoming reprobate.

  5. Pam

    I want to say that I hope that all the people on this site spend as much time learning about the truth of the Lord and Savior as they do writing on here. I was looking for some information on Once Saved Always Saved. That is not an idea of Satan, and I am not lazy! Thank you very much. You missed the point. I would not say those things about someone based on his or her beliefs. Baptist DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT AFTER SALVATION AND STILL BE SAVED! (Not shouting- just want this to stand out) We believe that once you are truly saved you will want to follow all that Christ wants you to do, and he does not want you to willfully sin. Do you know someone who has followed the Lord for 50 years and then turned away? I don’t know about you, but I am not qualified to judge that person and say he or she was or was not a child of the King. He wants you to love, love, love. Even when people say untrue things about you; therefore I love you all. Let’s not argue. Let’s spread the gospel that he loved us, died for us and will save us from our sins. Wouldn’t that please Him more?

  6. Ark

    Whoever write this is a deciever ! You mis-interpret the scripture. !

  7. Mark Greer

    CIE – Context is everything.

    1. The verses utilized in this writing were taken out of context and need to be placed therein as well as utilization of the original language.

    2. You didn’t save you. Therefore, you cannot un-save you.

    3. People love the Roman Road, whilst I loathe it as it puts an emphasis upon confession with their mouth and “belief” which we really don’t have a translatable word in the English language.

    Never forget that it is with the Heart that one is justified and that is done by faith through grace, not of ourselves….

  8. Georges

    Hi! I found this site interesting. How does one get saved? Surely the 5 solas are a good place to begin. Beyond that it is an open guess as no denomination has it all. In fact they might have much but also some glaring falsehoods. I became converted in 1977 (22 years of age). I am now 61 and unchurched. I started in Charismatism and hit a cul de sac. I am now turning in circles from Luther, to Calvin, to Augustine and further circles. I found a Church of Christ claiming to be Protestant which has added the Book of Mormon to be additional to the Holy Bible. How is that possible? The church on earth is so divided that it is impossible to find one abiding in the whole truth and only the truth. Synergists hate Monergist Calvinists and vice versa. Yet they all claim to follow Jesus Christ or base their Protestant faith in Him alone! I desperately want to be churched but cannot as we are not agreed about many issues and therefore cannot walk together. Must we agree on all things? How can we choose between Preterists, Historicists and Futurists – each of presenting different antichrists being Nero, the Papacy and another non descript one who is futurist. How can we choose between Dispensational Darbyism and an unfulfilled 70th week of Daniel as the 7 year tribulation versus a fullfilled 70th week of Daniel by the Messiah Himself in AD 34 in midweek death. What about Synergism and Monergism? Is God Yahuweh of Jehovah? Is God sovereign or not or by what extent. Does freewillism rule and monergism is dismissed. I can go on for days about our so-called Protestant Faith. It is frightening how divided we are. It is a disgrace to have several types of salvation by faith, by believing, by piety, by grace alone, by hearing the gospel, etc… Keep up the good work nevertheless!

    • rg

      yes, George, you are right, unity is THE problem of Christendom — John 17:20 and following — 20 “I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that they may be one, as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.”

      • rg

        without unity the world will never believe that the Father has sent the Son, and have loved them as the Son.

  9. JD

    I have been born and it is not possible for me to be unborn. John 3:3 “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” I have been born again and it is not possible for me to be unborn again.

  10. Marya

    The understanding in OSAS is repentance of our sins. We must confess our sin and identify to the Lord with the sin. Repent means to “turn away from”. We should not continue to appease ourselves with OSAS just because we want to feel comfortable in our sins. This is a deception if we are not careful in understanding the consequences of no repentance. Matthew 12:45 demonstrates through the parable of Jesus about when a unclean spirit leaves and returns. The scripture says that the man ended up in a worse state than before. This shows that we can be delivered in a showing of looking saved, but we must be baptized of the Holy Spirit to turn away from the sins that holds us captive, and endure until the end. Our salvation is a gift and we accept this in being a living sacrifice unto the Lord.

  11. JD

    If there is no evidence of change there has most likely been no change.

  12. Kristian

    I have recently been looking into all the false doctrines of the modern church such as pre trib, OSAS, tithing, Hebrew roots, sacred name etc. Just as many pastors are reluctant to give up Malachi 3:10 because it jeopardizes the religion tax, unrepentant sinners are reluctant to give up OSAS. His commands are not grievous nor is His yoke heavy. If the yoke is heavy you know you have strayed into dead works.

    I think that spiritual maturity (or lack there of) is at the core of people adopting these doctrines of demons. In Hebrews 5:14 we are instructed to exercise our discernment of good vs evil. On the more basic level, as a babe in Christ this might represent good and evil as say getting drunk is bad, being sober is good. Stealing is bad and giving is good.

    As a christian seeks the Lord and grows spiritually there is much more here. This is about motivations. What is your hearts motivation of a thing? Are you giving (tithing) to be seen and boast of tithing? Are you tithing to keep your car from breaking down? Out of guilt from the pastor you are robbing God? Or are you giving because you love the Lord and His people? There are evil motivations to doing good works so its not cut and dry. That is why we can never assume anything about fellow believers. We don’t know their hearts. God knows our hearts and will judge accordingly. If you are a Holy Spirit filled believer than He is working on you through your conscience. I just thank the Lord for His mercy and patience.

    For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
    Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:38-39)

    I whole heatedly agree with this scripture. To be “sure” of our salvation as Paul says, its not whats listed here that can put your salvation at risk. It’s what is NOT listed here. Sin.

  13. C.J.

    Brother’s and sister’s in Christ. We worry and argue over petty issues that divide us. I tell you that satan is overjoyed at causing us to be consumed by topics that all of you know have no bearing on one’s true relationship with Christ. We are not, witnessing, praying, loving our neighbor. so yes, satan is the author of confusion, and we get sucked in on a topic none would wager their eternal life on!!!

    • Chase

      a person reaps what they sow. simply saying if you teach separation and every man is allowed his own interpretation separation will continue, not that hard to see. That’s why there needs to be one authority and one church to unite us. remember that the sheep were saved not the goats.

      • Ethan Longhenry

        And yet, when you follow but one authority, the minute that authority goes astray, then everyone follows in that departure, as happened in Roman Catholicism and in Mormonism.

        The only unifying authority in the New Testament is God in Christ, not man (John 17:20-23).

        • rg

          “the minute that authority goes astray” — well, not exactly. The old testament church went astray from Judges to David and then after Solomon to the 2nd temple period. even longer if you consider the Parasitical traditions. that’s a thousand years or more. God didn’t abandon his church then, imperfect and sinful as it was. why would he abandon it now? it’s not man that assures the church, but God, if we stay in the church. the question is which church?

  14. Darin

    I have been intrigued by the differences in denominations since childhood. After conversing and listening with various viewpoints, I realized that there are key ambiguous articles in Scripture that are left open to inconsistent perceptions. One example is the article, “this” in Jesus’s response to John the Baptist: “It is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness” (Mat. 3:15, NIV). Some will see this statement as Jesus addressing some bystanders…or some may see it as Jesus replying directly to John’s question on why the baptism was performed the other way around. The latter perspective recognizes that the emphasis is not about being submerged in water but the meaning on why it was done. Other gospels describe the baptism event by John was for repentance. In contrast, many Baptists ministers will say our water submersion involvement is being “obedient to Jesus’s example”. Obviously, this would not be the case for the many who were baptized by John before Jesus was!

    I will not say the Bible is in error. However, our perceptions on how we interpret words from it can very well be very risky if we point a out biblical verse to be “God’s Word” when used out of context! A good rule of thumb is to test our perceptions through various dimensions (Time, culture, activity…minus our own wishful thinking).

  15. Allen

    This is not a petty issue. The saints of God need to be reassured that they have their salvation in the middle of this battle here on earth. I guess I just became a baptist today , because it’s this doctrine that assures me that I can be saved from myself. I’m looking for a God that can save me from myself. I want to tell others about a God (JESUS) that can save them from THEMselves. As the book of Romans so eloquently states; ” Neither height nor depth , nor anything else in ALL creation….” That means even YOU would not be able to cause yourself to be unborn again. When you became born again, you literally crossed over from death to life. There’s no crossing back over to death again. Either salvation means salvation or it doesn’t. Either we are saved by grace or we aren’t. It’s not by works that we are saved. It seems to me that there are countless numbers of scriptures that tell us we are eternally secure. And only 4 scriptures ( that have been stretched ) to support that we are not eternally secure. Why in the world would you WANT it to be true that people can lose their salvation? The only thing I can come up with is that you’re tired of seeing people sin in a way that you don’t. ALL have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. That includes YOU. I think Pastors have attempted to scare people into “acting right” by telling them that they can lose their salvation if they’re not careful. This reeks of control issues and fear mongering. When you become a Christian , God literally changes your “want to” and you desire the things of God, not because it’s the right thing to do, you do them because you love Him. It’s your sinful nature inside you that still may want the sinful things of this world. As Paul states in Romans… ” For the good I want to do I do not do……” Someone above suggested that it “shouldn’t be a free ride”. Now just listen to that for a second. IF it’s not free, then what WORKS should I do in order to pay for this ride? Obviously this person did not think this through , and dare I say NOT know the depth of their OWN sin. We have a battle to fight folks. People out there need to be LOVED into the kingdom NOT scared, manipulated, and coerced into the kingdom. We have enough troubles fighting the enemy and everything he’s doing. Don’t crucify the saints all over again, and rob them of the very thing that gives them the HOPE they need share this great LOVE of Christ with others. No let’s go out there and win this world for Christ! who’s coming with me?

    • Ethan Longhenry

      Romans 8, etc., has been addressed.
      God does not coerce, compel, or force. If one is a believer, but turns away, God does not coerce him into returning. He calls, invites, etc., but does not force. Consider how God treated Israel according to the flesh. They weren’t automatically saved because they had entered into the covenant people of God. They served idols, they received the due punishment for their sins. God pleaded with them to turn aside, but they refused, and were punished. If God is who He says He is, and He has not changed, on what basis can you still assert that He is going to force people when He has yet to do so?

  16. Chase

    The problem is that everyone is there own pope in the protestant churches. Each person believes that there way is the correct way instead of being united under one authority, one church, and one god. The way i look at it is this once man decides that there way is the correct one its like everyone wanting to be a captain of the ship and each wanting to go there own direction. A ship that goes in so many directions is surely to be lost. There can only be 1 truth. let me ask people this if you wanted to learn how to fly, who would you want to learn from? i’d say wilbur and orville wright and the people they taught and so on because they are the original and the teachings will have been passed on throughout the generations. The protestant churches are like this they are not the original church its like learning how to fly from the guy who stuck chicken feathers to his arms and tried to jump off a barn because anyone can interpret how to fly in their own way.

  17. Scott

    All these reply’s are the weakness of Gods Church. As God called on men to bring his word out of the control of Catholicism they did it with a pure reading of the word of God. Not confined to the boxes built by men quickly there after now called denominations. If you do the research and cut your way through the muddy waters Satan has imposed with the denominations you can easily find the beginning theologies of the Protestant reformation movement and you will see most of what you are debating was not preached by the founders. John Smyth did not teach OSAS on the contrary. The Anabaptist did not and ether did Martin Luther. The historical documents from the churches still exist today and they map out precisely where the water was muddied. I’m not going to bother arguing with hardened hearts. See Gods wisdom and knowledge through prayer. The denominations have rendered Gods churches powerless in every community through never having the numbers of like minded servants to manifest the awesome power of Our God. I agree with one statement. Satan is laughing at our weakness that he gave us in the 1500’s.

  18. Brian

    As in the story of the prodigal son, “Still my boy”! The far country didnt change relationship thru blood! Even to the griping elder brother the father said, “All that i have is thine”! Ephesians 2:8-9….its a gift, always unearned, always undeserved. The prophet said, “there is not a righteous man that doeth good and sinneth not”….Romans says “none righteous, no, not one”! That phrase in laymans terms means NEVER GOOD ENOUGH to maintain salvation.. Salvation is of the Lord alone, he would never entrust its power or ability to mere human effort. The NT says we are kept by the power of God…(period). God with spank his own, because they are his own…..always his own. If I could EVER do ONE thing to keep myself saved, then i would have never needed Jesus….point is, i keep nothing….John 10 says the father keeps us and has NEVER LOST ONE! 🙂

    • Ethan Longhenry

      A gift it is, but the gift is to be accepted and valued. Otherwise God would not be just to condemn any.

      No one suggests that salvation is something we deserve or are good enough to maintain. But that does not justify the absolute claims that do not involve our part. The expected response is faithfulness in relationship – obedience, which Paul stresses repeatedly in Romans (Romans 1:5, 6:14-23, etc.).

      If a response is necessary – and all concede, in one way or another, a response is necessary – then it is not all on God.

      Had the prodigal not come home and repented, he would have remained alienated and separated from his Father – not by the choice or will of the Father, but because he was consumed in his own sinfulness. So it is with all who would once follow God but then turn aside.

  19. Mike Detrio

    Before Christ, priests made blood sacrifices (animals) for the atonement of sin. This was done over & over again. When Christ shed his blood for the sins of the world, it was one time for all time. For me to lose my salvation because I sinned after being saved, Christ would have to shed his blood again since blood has to be shed for the forgiveness of sin. When I sin it’s called quenching the Holy Spirit (back sliding) & I lose fellowship with the Lord (closeness). I gain this back by asking for forgiveness in prayer. The Lord may let you pay the consequences of your actions but you will never lose your salvation.

    • Ethan Longhenry

      For those who were in Christ but sin and do not do that repentance you mention, Hebrews 10:26-31 and 2 Peter 2:20-22 apply.

  20. A Mac

    I believe OSAS. Eternal life now and forever. Not eternal life…. oops well actually no longer eternal life…… phew, eternal life again – well done for confessing that sin! You’re good to go again. No no no. That’s a torturous faith position!

    To be saved you need absolutely to come to believe with your whole being, not just intellectually. This security of my salvation is a source of deep joy and assurance to me. It is in NO way my laziness or any need for an excuse to sin because that would assume that I only believe OSAS in order to have licence to sin! Rubbish! If that were true then the fact is that I would not have been saved in the first place and certainly would have no love for Jesus.

    Those who campaign against OSAS (I’m a church leader and I know several fellow leaders personally who do not accept OSAS) tend to be insecure, joyless and on the legalistic side. One is stuck in a cycle of confession and self examination because she cannot be sure that she may not have crossed some invisible line which affects her eternal state. Another is full of self righteousness that he’s ticked all the boxes and kept himself right before God. People like that tend towards the ‘elder brother’ syndrome (Luke 15:25-32).

    Eternal life means ETERNAL, not temporary. God sees my end from my beginning and He who has started this work in me will continue it (Phil 1:6). However there may well be some some regrets I will have at the Judgement seat of Christ (2 Cor 5:10, not the place for unbelievers who go to the great white throne of Rev 20:11-15) and some rewards I miss out on. That’s down to me and the works God prepared for me, etc

    I confess my sins and receive forgiveness by faith, because for me to carry on sinning breaks God’s heart and steals my joy so there’s absolutely no licence to sin whatsoever! I trust the Holy Spirit to convict me (not condemn me – Rom 8:1) and He will keep me in the Truth. That’s why I believe OSAS – through the work of Jesus and the leading of the Holy Spirit in my life, and not through my own works. I believe He is able to keep me from falling! Jude 1:24-25.

    I know the Lord, am asking to be repeatedly filled with the Holy Spirit. I trust the truth of the Word of God, so believing OSAS isn’t me being irresponsible or deceived. It’s natural, releasing, joy-giving and oh so freeing. Praise Him for eternal life NOW and abundant life NOW. Why would I want to walk away from that?!

    • Ethan Longhenry

      Yes, there are people on the other extreme. One extreme does not justify the other extreme. Instead, both extremes have missed part of what God has made known, and both are imbalanced.

      There can be assurance of one’s standing in faith before Jesus, but that assurance is not absolute. Hebrews 10:26-31 and 2 Peter 2:20-22 remain as witnesses that if a person turns from God, God lets them go and they will obtain what they have desired. God does not save anyone against their will.

  21. David

    As an atheist, it is hysterical to hear arguments over which imagined reality is correct. Relax and spend your time contributing(as in giving) to the world rather than taking! Your God will not condemn you for that…incorrect lightweight but don’t post if you choose???

  22. FisherOfMen

    Once saved, always saved is one of Satan’s biggest deceptions. Why would Jesus speak of the narrow gate that few will pass through to ultimately enter God’s Kingdom if all one has to do is get baptized? Anyone can do that. So either Jesus is a liar, a drama queen who like to exaggerate, or maybe you should take Him at His word.

    Why would He say to keep the Commandments, pick up your cross daily, deny yourself, etc., if no action is needed?

    Why would He say that for the rich to get into heaven, it’d be like a camel passing through the eye of a needle if it’s so easy to get in?

    Brothers and sisters, we need not quote scripture, bicker amongst each other and obfuscate — all that is required is our God-given gift of discernment and a little bit of common sense.

    Does it really seem plausible that a person can be baptized as a young adult, then proceed to rape, murder, kill, curse God, burn Bibles, worship Satan, rob banks, abort children, vandalize churches and never once repent, even on their deathbed, and still make it into heaven?

    Because that’s exactly what OSAS suggests.

    This kind of deception can only come from the evil one himself, who, of course, would like nothing more than for us to believe we can sin all we want and still have everlasting life with our Creator, only for us to end up in his grasp, damned for eternity.

    Who wouldn’t want to believe that you can do the bare minimum and still be a-okay? This is antithetical to Christ’s teachings, as referenced in the beginning.

    21 Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
    22 Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?”
    23 And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”

    It doesn’t get any clearer than that. To dismiss the above teaching/warning of Christ it to blaspheme and think you know more about what it takes to get to heaven than He does. Let that sink in…

    Again, set aside your anger that your belief system is being challenged, and understand that this is coming purely from a place of good intent: it hurts me to know that millions of good Christians may be unwittingly securing a spot in hell because they were mislead. Talk to God and ask Him if what I’m saying is correct. He wants you to be with Him; He’ll let you know.

    Yes, we are only saved by the Grace of God and His mercy, as well as Jesus’ crucifixion. There is no other way in. But that’s only IF you get in. On the flip side, free will grants us the ability to forfeit our place in God’s Kingdom by failing to keep His commandments and carry our cross each day. In other words: we can’t save ourselves; we can, however, lose our spot in heaven by what we do/fail to do.

    Deep down in your heart, this must make sense to you. If not, it may be pride and/or Satan whispering lies in your ears telling you otherwise.

    I pray we’ll all — myself included — be Christ-like in everything we do, while retaining the humility to accept that the gate is narrow and our spot is NOT SECURED! We must earn it, day in and day out.

    God bless you and your families.

  23. Don Shirley

    Even proponents of the idea of “once saved, always saved” (which is a cliche, not a doctrinal statement) do not often understand it in practical application. Consider the following:
    1. God saves through faith in Jesus Christ.
    2. The Holy Spirit seals those who are Christ’s.
    3. God is able to keep those He saves from following.
    4. Believers can know in the present that they have eternal life in the future.

    There are many more Scriptures that affirm that once a person believes in Christ and is sealed by the Spirit, they are secure in Christ and will endure until the end.

    The problem comes in churches “declaring” people to be saved because they have fulfilled a particular expectation. They have walked an aisle, joined the church, prayed a prayer, or said words that amount to a profession of faith. Only God knows the heart. Lost people can do any or all of these things and still be lost. They church cannot judge souls, but are obligated to accept people on the basis of their profession. This means that people who are not Christians are added to church rolls all the time.

    How can we know this? Because there are also verses that describe those who begin with Christ but leave. This does not disprove “once saved, always save” but does demonstrate “once a church member, not necessarily a true believer and disciple of Christ.” In verses such as “the sow is returned to wallowing in the mire,” the heart of the context is that a pig, having never been changed, will return to the mud even after having been taken out of it. Given enough time, those who are not transformed by God’s power will fall away, some by leaving the church, others by maintaining a religious exterior within the church. In the parable of the wheat and the tares, the implication is that both conditions exist even within the church. Not every that says, “Lord, Lord” will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

    My overall point is this: while God will fully save those who are truly saved, we are not equipped to judge souls, only testimonies and professions. It is up to the individual to “examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith.” God knows who are His. We don’t, at least not fully. We preach to the church as if all are saved, but we accept the reality that some are not.

    But those who are saved are secure. I don’t use the cliche, but I affirm that those who are truly saved will persevere and will still be saved on the last day. That is the awesome power of God toward those who are His.

    • Ethan Longhenry

      A closer reading of both Hebrews 10:26-31 and 2 Peter 2:20-22 as shown above demonstrates how this view is unsustainable. The people involved were not merely people who just happened to show up to church and maintained a religious exterior: they had received cleansing from sin in Jesus. They had escaped the defilements of the world.

      The implication remains – there are people who received every assurance of right standing with God, and when they turned away in apostasy or sin, they were condemned. What they had is what every faithful Christian would have.

      The Calvinists are at least consistent: “yes, the saints will persevere, but since some of those who claim to be saints will be demonstrated not to be saints, they were never really elect in the first place.” In this way not a few Calvinists lived in fear that they were not really the elect. In this system of belief, you could never know.

      These extreme views cannot be properly sustained in light of what God has made known in Him.

  24. Marcia Blaha

    My family were predominantly Missionary Baptist, though not a one of em went to church. In my 30’s, I moved to western KY and God called me to a General Baptist church. I had been saved for many years, but had finally found a church that I had prayed for God to send me. I got baptized in a creek of running water. That was 26 yrs. ago. I believe that is a person who was once saved, then commits heinous acts, and doesn’t deeply and with sorrowful heart, repent, then they can lose their salvation. IF OSAS were true, then Satan wouldn’t go after the saved so much to commit adultery, to become addicted to pornography, to beat their children, to throw down their children and live a life of drug addiction. I believe that one can lose their salvation, and when Christians sin, they have black hole in their heart. There is repentance for even the worst sinner, but from what I know, a person needs a true “come back to Jesus” meetin.

  25. David

    if OSAS were true, then the parable of the sower is meaningless. I converted (from Prostantism) to Eastern Orthodoxy 4 years ago. I ain’t never going back

  26. Phillip

    I noticed an error in the Varients section of this article. The Southern Baptist Convention does NOT have an official stance on either Predestination or Free Will. They leave it up to the individual Pastors and their congregations. <

  27. Gio

    The bible calls salvation to be eternal. How can it remain eternal when it get to lose because of sin?

    • Ethan Longhenry

      Where, precisely, do you believe the Bible says that? And what do you do with the passages mentioned which clearly speak of people who were in a saved condition but turned aside from covenant loyalty to God?

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